Posts: 6504 And1: 4661 Jun 22, 2023 at 5:26 PM
I wonder if some team is going to try and draft the twins to keep them together. I think there's a chance the Magic could trade up with the Pistons. They have the #11 pick and a bunch of young players to dangle. After #4 there really isn't too much separation between #5 and #11.With the 58th pick in the 2023 NBA Draft, the Milwaukee Bucks select
SG Chris Livingston, Kentucky
Overall Rank: 51st Position Rank (SG): 15th Class: Fr Height: 6-6 Weight: 220 DOB: Oct 15, 2003 Born: Akron, Ohio SEC All-Freshman Team - 2023 |
Season | Team | GP | MIN | PTS | FG% | 3PT% | FT% | REB | AST | STL | BLK |
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2022-23 | Kentucky | 34 | 22.4 | 6.3 | .429 | .305 | .722 | 4.2 | 0.7 | 0.4 | 0.4 |
Chris Livingston player profile | Milwaukee Bucks draft history
2023 First Round
# | Team | Player |
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1. | Victor Wembanyama PF, Boulogne-Levallois (France) |
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2. | Brandon Miller PF, Alabama (Fr) |
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3. | Scoot Henderson PG, NBA G League Ignite |
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4. | Amen Thompson SG, Overtime Elite (Georgia) |
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5. | Ausar Thompson SG, Overtime Elite (Georgia) |
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6. | Anthony Black SG, Arkansas (Fr) |
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7. | Bilal Coulibaly SF, Espoirs Boulogne-Levallois (France) |
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8. | Jarace Walker SG, Houston (Fr) |
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9. | Taylor Hendricks PF, UCF (Fr) |
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10. | Cason Wallace PG, Kentucky (Fr) |
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11. | Jett Howard SF, Michigan (Fr) |
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12. | Dereck Lively II C, Duke (Fr) |
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13. | Gradey Dick SF, Kansas (Fr) |
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14. | Jordan Hawkins SG, Connecticut (So) |
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15. | Kobe Bufkin SG, Michigan (So) |
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16. | Keyonte George PG, Baylor (Fr) |
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17. | Jalen Hood-Schifino PG, Indiana (Fr) |
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18. | Jaime Jaquez, Jr. SF, UCLA (Sr) |
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19. | Brandin Podziemski SF, Santa Clara (So) |
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20. | Cam Whitmore SF, Villanova (Fr) |
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21. | Noah Clowney PF, Alabama (Fr) |
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22. | Dariq Whitehead SF, Duke (Fr) |
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23. | Kris Murray PF, Iowa (Jr) |
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24. | Olivier-Maxence Prosper PF, Marquette (Jr) |
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25. | Marcus Sasser PG, Houston (Sr) |
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26. | Ben Sheppard SG, Belmont (Sr) |
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27. | Nick Smith, Jr. SG, Arkansas (Fr) |
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28. | Brice Sensabaugh SF, Ohio State (Fr) |
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29. | Julian Strawther SG, Gonzaga (Jr) |
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30. | Kobe Brown SG, Missouri (Sr) |
Teams Without First Round Pick
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2023 Second Round
# | Team | Player |
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31. | James Nnaji C, FC Barcelona II (Spain) |
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32. | Jalen Pickett SF, Penn State (Sr) |
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33. | Leonard Miller PF, NBA G League Ignite |
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34. | Colby Jones SF, Xavier (Jr) |
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35. | Julian Phillips C, Tennessee (Fr) |
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36. | Andre Jackson, Jr. SG, Connecticut (Jr) |
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37. | Hunter Tyson SF, Clemson (Sr) |
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38. | Jordan Walsh SF, Arkansas (Fr) |
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39. | Mouhamed Gueye C, Washington State (So) |
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40. | Maxwell Lewis SF, Pepperdine (So) |
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41. | Amari Bailey SG, UCLA (Fr) |
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42. | Tristan Vukcevic C, KK Partizan (Serbia) |
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43. | Rayan Rupert SG, New Zealand (New Zealand) |
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44. | Sidy Cissoko SF, NBA G League Ignite |
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45. | G.G. Jackson PF, South Carolina (Fr) |
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46. | Seth Lundy SF, Penn State (Sr) |
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47. | Mojave King SG, NBA G League Ignite |
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48. | Jordan Miller SG, Miami (FL) (Sr) |
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49. | Emoni Bates SF, Eastern Michigan (So) |
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50. | Keyontae Johnson SF, Kansas State (Sr) |
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51. | Jalen Wilson PF, Kansas (Jr) |
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52. | Toumani Camara SF, Dayton (Sr) |
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53. | Jaylen Clark SG, UCLA (Jr) |
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54. | Jalen Slawson SF, Furman (Sr) |
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55. | Isaiah Wong PG, Miami (FL) (Sr) |
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56. | Tarik Biberovic | |
57. | Trayce Jackson-Davis PF, Indiana (Sr) |
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58. | Chris Livingston SG, Kentucky (Fr) |
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59. | Forfeited by Chicago via DEN |
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60. | Forfeited by Philadelphia |
Teams Without Second Round Pick
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Golden State Warriors | |
Houston Rockets | |
Miami Heat | |
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Before anyone yells at me, just remember there is a reason I'll be watching from the couch.
If I'm Portland, I'm taking Amen over Miller.
this board cracks me up. there is zero chance miller drops to 5 (or 4) and nobody outside of this board is even suggesting it. yet on this board, the idea of him dropping past three has been mentioned several times by multiple people. i get that some might not love him as a prospect, but regardless of whether you love him, hate him, or are lukewarm on him, he's going top 3.
131 attempts, I posted the numbers literally on top of this page.
and while Miller does project as a good shooter, you guys are talking about him like he's this outlier shooting prospect, and based on his shooting alone he needs to be taken above Scoot.
how many nba threes did Miller shoot? maybe 50? 75? Scoot even fewer? sample size matters. he also shot 86% FTs.
"elite shooting"
fyi
Miller shot 34% from the NBA 3pt line this year
Scoot shot 33% from the NBA 3pt line this year
if Miller's shooting is the gamebreaker here, you might have to rethink that.
my gut is saying they scoot.
and damn, for myself despite being the biggest miller fanboy since about november (and having him second on my board), i'm starting to get a gut feeling about scoot. dude just seems different.
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lol. overthinking it would be passing on elite shooting and length in today's nba for lack of shooting and only okay length.
It’s really not overthinking it, especially in todays NBA where shooting and length matter more than ever.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest Miller fan
But I can understand the logic if it's the Hornets, do you really want a guy to take the ball out of LaMelo's hands who won't do much while LaMelo has the ball?
If both guys can play off ball, it works, but if a guy can't play off ball, then they need to be a true #1. That was the problem with building around prime Westbrook, and it'll be the problem with building around Scoot even at his ceiling. It's just hard to build around those types of guys.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
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He showed flashes he could be the second best player in this class.
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Posts: 8160 And1: 704 Jun 22, 2023 at 2:06 PM
If I was GM of top 3 teams I'd go Wemby, Scoot, Black. Before anyone yells at me, just remember there is a reason I'll be watching from the couch.
Posts: 25456 And1: 13414 Jun 22, 2023 at 1:44 PM
I think there's an outside chance Amen goes third.
If I'm Portland, I'm taking Amen over Miller.
Posts: 3606 And1: 2101 Jun 22, 2023 at 1:35 PM
I have a weird feeling if Scoot goes 2 that Brandon Miller falls to 5 and Detroit trades him for the best offer available. Portland takes Amen and Houston takes Ausar or Anthony Black.
this board cracks me up. there is zero chance miller drops to 5 (or 4) and nobody outside of this board is even suggesting it. yet on this board, the idea of him dropping past three has been mentioned several times by multiple people. i get that some might not love him as a prospect, but regardless of whether you love him, hate him, or are lukewarm on him, he's going top 3.
Posts: 52 And1: 17 Jun 22, 2023 at 1:18 PM
I have a weird feeling if Scoot goes 2 that Brandon Miller falls to 5 and Detroit trades him for the best offer available. Portland takes Amen and Houston takes Ausar or Anthony Black.Posts: 60359 And1: 67519 Jun 22, 2023 at 1:10 PM
lol. overthinking it would be passing on elite shooting and length in today's nba for lack of shooting and only okay length.
"elite shooting"
fyi
Miller shot 34% from the NBA 3pt line this year
Scoot shot 33% from the NBA 3pt line this year
if Miller's shooting is the gamebreaker here, you might have to rethink that.
how many nba threes did Miller shoot? maybe 50? 75? Scoot even fewer? sample size matters. he also shot 86% FTs.
131 attempts, I posted the numbers literally on top of this page.
and while Miller does project as a good shooter, you guys are talking about him like he's this outlier shooting prospect, and based on his shooting alone he needs to be taken above Scoot.
Posts: 3606 And1: 2101 Jun 22, 2023 at 1:03 PM
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
lol. overthinking it would be passing on elite shooting and length in today's nba for lack of shooting and only okay length.
"elite shooting"
fyi
Miller shot 34% from the NBA 3pt line this year
Scoot shot 33% from the NBA 3pt line this year
if Miller's shooting is the gamebreaker here, you might have to rethink that.
how many nba threes did Miller shoot? maybe 50? 75? Scoot even fewer? sample size matters. he also shot 86% FTs.
Posts: 60359 And1: 67519 Jun 22, 2023 at 12:55 PM
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
lol. overthinking it would be passing on elite shooting and length in today's nba for lack of shooting and only okay length.
"elite shooting"
fyi
Miller shot 34% from the NBA 3pt line this year
Scoot shot 33% from the NBA 3pt line this year
if Miller's shooting is the gamebreaker here, you might have to rethink that.
Posts: 3606 And1: 2101 Jun 22, 2023 at 12:49 PM
Woj says Miller is the pick, Shams says Scoot. I'm ready for this to be over with, lol.
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my gut is saying they scoot.
and damn, for myself despite being the biggest miller fanboy since about november (and having him second on my board), i'm starting to get a gut feeling about scoot. dude just seems different.
Posts: 11733 And1: 9796 Jun 22, 2023 at 12:19 PM
Woj says Miller is the pick, Shams says Scoot. I'm ready for this to be over with, lol. 1671914311093043203
Posts: 3606 And1: 2101 Jun 22, 2023 at 12:06 PM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
lol. overthinking it would be passing on elite shooting and length in today's nba for lack of shooting and only okay length.
Posts: 8054 And1: 6418 Jun 22, 2023 at 12:01 PM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
It’s really not overthinking it, especially in todays NBA where shooting and length matter more than ever.
Posts: 23568 And1: 42420 Jun 22, 2023 at 11:24 AM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest Miller fan
But I can understand the logic if it's the Hornets, do you really want a guy to take the ball out of LaMelo's hands who won't do much while LaMelo has the ball?
If both guys can play off ball, it works, but if a guy can't play off ball, then they need to be a true #1. That was the problem with building around prime Westbrook, and it'll be the problem with building around Scoot even at his ceiling. It's just hard to build around those types of guys.
Posts: 1604 And1: 3129 Jun 22, 2023 at 11:16 AM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
How often does any player lead their team to a title? That's overthinking it, imo. I want Scoot on my team, period.
Miller is a one trick pony with attitude issues.
Posts: 23568 And1: 42420 Jun 22, 2023 at 11:08 AM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?
The ability to shoot 3s
If the thinking is title or bust, how often do athletic PGs who can't shoot lead their teams to titles as the #1 option?
Furthermore, if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling and doesn't develop a shot, how effective will he be as a #2 option?
With a guy like Miller, even if he doesn't reach that level of being a true #1 like Tatum, you can still comfortably slot him on a good team next to a true #1, where if Scoot doesn't reach his ceiling, he won't be a good #2 option next to a true #1
If you're just drafting based on upside and probability of reaching that upside, you go Scoot, but it's understandable if some guys would rather take Miller.
Posts: 1604 And1: 3129 Jun 22, 2023 at 10:59 AM
How could anyone take Brandon Miller over Scoot? Am I crazy? Scoot has a great frame, amazing athleticism, high motor, has been holding his own against grown men as a teenager -- what more could you possibly want out of a guard prospect?Posts: 32941 And1: 12669 Jun 22, 2023 at 8:29 AM
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Posts: 16888 And1: 20951 Jun 20, 2023 at 1:01 AM
i know i finalized my BB but I am tempted to push DWH even higher
shooting indicators are all rock solid, elite RSCI, one of the youngest cats in the class, measured well with 6-10 w/s and 10" hands, some two way juice potential.
i dunno, i know the Duke tape disappointed a bit considering the hype out of HS but there is a strong chance it's b/c of the foot issues and Duke just not being a great environment for all these dudes to showcase what they got.
or maybe I am blinded/biased bc he was my guy out of HS. someone talk me out of it.
you were way too high on him before the season and imho way too low on him now. He was never the top 3 talent people thought but he's still solidly a lottery talent especially when nobody after the top 5 is clearly better than him. If you factor in his injury, rush to get back, and trying to catch up and impress, it's no wonder he had some struggles. And we know Scheyer has no idea what he's doing and did him no favors. So it all adds up to him probably being anywhere from the 5-12th best prospect in this draft. There's very little chance he'll bust but there's also very little chance he'll be an all-star either.
He showed flashes he could be the second best player in this class.
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